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May. 2nd, 2008 07:59 am
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Ants apparently make up 20% of the planet's biomass.


Edit: Or not. The education system is FAILING me, people.

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Date: 2008-05-02 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
Could you cite a reference for that, please?

I'm thinking 'plant mass, like trees' and 'mycelial growth around plant roots' and shaking my head here.

Because what do the ants eat?

And what about plankton? There's an awful lot of plankton out there.

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Date: 2008-05-02 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
or, are you talking about animal life?

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Date: 2008-05-02 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketk.livejournal.com
That can't be right. Bacteria make up a huge proportion of the planet's biomass (particularly when you count underground - there's bacteria to 2km deep) (source: A New Scientist article I read 18months ago or so).

Plus, you know, biomass. I think plants including algae have well and truly got any kind of animal beat.

Are they maybe 20% of animal biomass?

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Date: 2008-05-02 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketk.livejournal.com
Both of our nerd-brains went *glckglckglck*, didn't they?

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
Yep. My ex, who is a mycologist, is full of the importance of mycelium, and how almost everything under our feet is actually mycelium, and how 95% of plant life on earth is completely dependent on the fungi mycelium that grows around the root masses. And how the largest single organism on the planet is actually one mushroom mass that's some staggering size across (I've blanked the details out, but I seem to remember kilometres being the unit of measurement).

Of course, if she studied ants, I might be nodding my head wisely and agreeing with [livejournal.com profile] sarren.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
I'm still thinking krill are going to beat ants. There's an awful lot of ocean out there, and krill are exceedingly good at covering the surface of it.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarren.livejournal.com
Take it up with my lecturer! He reckons 5% human, 5% cows and 20% ants. I've been OMGing about this to Angriest for days.

I'm glad I'm not crazy.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarren.livejournal.com
Yes, but what is its lifespan? Angriest looked it up and ants have a 45-60 day lifecycle - that's a lot of dead ants.

It seems too incredible to be true to me, too.

I blame my lecturer.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
You can't say 'plants including algae'. It's against the rules. Plants and algae are different kingdoms.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
But how fast do ants get eaten by other organisms? They're pretty small-- I reckon they'd be a bacterial snack in a matter of days, apart possibly from the chitin.

I have no idea about the lifespan of mycelial cells. These cells are the thread-like white strands you see in the soil (I think that's their reproductive stage, but I probably had my fingers in my ears and was going lalala when it was explained to me). They're just *everywhere* that there's life on the planet.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
argh, only I can't count.

cows+ants+people=30% of all animal biomass is still wrong. Do you know how many fish there are out there, for a start? Those oceans are awfully big.

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Date: 2008-05-02 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarren.livejournal.com
I never thought about fish dying of old age or disease much.

Angriest has just checked Wiki (so it must be right!) and says krill account for twice human biomass.


We think you guys are right and he meant animal biomass!

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Date: 2008-05-02 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketk.livejournal.com
how almost everything under our feet is actually mycelium

I remember feeling quite light-headed as I walked home after reading the article, knowing that beneath my feet was this huge amount of life. I felt like I could fall through the ground at any second.

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Date: 2008-05-02 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketk.livejournal.com
Dargh!

Plants plus algae.

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Date: 2008-05-02 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketk.livejournal.com
At this rate it looks like [livejournal.com profile] agoodliedown and I are going to go smack him upside the head at any moment.

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Date: 2008-05-02 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
I like to lie on my back lawn, and think about the masses of life beneath me; the worms and ants, the grass roots, the tree roots, the mycelium and soil bacteria, and the deeper bacteria. Then there's the ground water, seeping and sinking and rising. And I look up, at the clouds and the sky, and think about how high up and the atmosphere goes, and how wonderful it all is.

Yeah. Specks of dust, and all that.

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Date: 2008-05-02 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
That works.

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Date: 2008-05-02 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
I've got a science degree. I could roll him up and smack him with that. Or I could tell my ex about this silliness, and she could go for him. 'Arm attack biology dyke. Aim. Release.'

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Date: 2008-05-02 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketk.livejournal.com
I am now imagining L with exaggerated jaw and teeth plunging headfirst from the clouds, "You forgot fungi! Diiiiieeeeeee!"

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Date: 2008-05-02 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoodliedown.livejournal.com
With her cape fluttering behind her. A red cape, with white spots on it, even though Amanita muscari don't occur in Western Australia.

I'm going to tell her about this. Then make her the cape.

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Date: 2008-05-03 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] victorian-tweed.livejournal.com
60 % of statistics are made up.



*drum roll* *tish!*

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Date: 2008-05-03 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarren.livejournal.com
Hee! I love you.

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